Anne Will: Bigger NATO, More Weapons: The Right Answer to Putin’s War?

Ann Weil welcomes these guests:

  • Michael Roth
    (SPD, Member of the Bundestag and Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee)
  • Rodrich Keswetter
    (CDU, Bundestag member and former colonel)
  • Marina Wispend
    (German-Ukrainian journalist)
  • Jan van Aken
    (D-Link, Rosa Luxemburg Foundation works on international crises and conflict zones)
  • Carlo Masala
    (Professor of International Politics at the Federal Armed Forces University in Munich)

10:43 pm:
But Will interrupts – broadcast time is over. With that we say goodbye. Thanks for reading and have a nice evening!

10:40 pm:
“We shouldn’t believe Putin’s word,” Weisband says. “You can’t negotiate with him. Now you have to force him.”

10:37 PM:
Van Aken repeats what he said earlier: “We have to go the civilian way first. We need to toughen the penalties. If they don’t work, we can talk about weapons.”

10:35 pm:
Will wants to know why Gazprom is still exempt from sanctions. “Because we still need gas to supply us,” explains Roth, the SPD politician.

10:34 PM:
If an attacking person wants to defend himself, this can only be done with a weapon. And I say this as a conscientious objector, Roth explains. “Germany is not sitting in the brake man’s booth, but it is doing everything possible.”

10:33 PM:
Host Will asks, “Why are you tearing your hair, Mr. Ruth?”

10:31 PM:
Kieswetter interjects, “I’m really trying to stay objective, but it’s hard. Russia is not going to concede any ground.”

Left-wing politician Van Aken: Isn’t it time we all stopped?

10:28 PM:
Van Aken asks, “Isn’t it time we all stopped for a moment?” Arms deliveries should be a “last resort,” he says. “We should try civilian means first.” One must ask oneself: “How can we best support the Ukrainians?” Handing over weapons is not the answer.

10:26 pm:
“The federal government is going very slowly here,” Masala says. “We have paralyzed the fear of nuclear escalation,” he added.

10:23 PM:
Now, the journalist Weisband interjected, “Germany and France are now losing a tremendous amount of confidence and isolating themselves internationally.” In Ukraine, they agreed that they could not count on Schulze and Macron.

CDU Politician: “Schulz does not give the impression that he is on the side of Ukraine”

10:19 pm:
CDU’s Kiesewetter disagrees with Ruth. “It’s not up to the coalition partners, it’s up to the chancellor,” Kiesewetter says of Schultz’s reluctance to deliver heavy weapons. “I think he plays to get time.” Then Ruth, the SPD man, only shook his head. Kiesewetter goes even better: “Scholz does not give the impression that he is on the side of Ukraine.”

10:17 PM:
Is the chancellor playing a game and deliberately delaying the delivery of weapons? Do ask Roth the politician from the SPD. He answers, “I find these allegations inappropriate.” “We need an international team effort. Talking to Putin only makes sense from a position of strength and deterrence.”

Journalist: You have to force Putin to the negotiating table

10:13 pm:
If the Russians besiege Kharkiv, Masala says, “we are threatened with a new Mariupol.” It will lead to a long trench warfare. Dare to speculate that “the problem of Ukraine will be its success.”

10:10 pm:
“Of course we have to go to the diplomatic table. The only question is: What is forcing Putin to sit at this table?” In their opinion, additional weapons and sanctions could do that.

10:07 PM:
For Roth, an immediate oil embargo would have dire consequences. This needs thorough discussion. “There is no need to be ashamed if I change my mind.” He has done this himself several times since the beginning of the war. As an example, he cites arms shipments to Ukraine.

Left-wing politician Van Aken: “
There are hardly any effective penalties.”

10:03 pm: “
Every day we transferred 320 million dollars for Russian oil. And after Bucha too, “the left-wing politician Van Aken intervened in the discussion. We can talk not only about weapons, but also about tougher penalties.” He criticizes, “We’ve been talking about sanctions for three months, and there are hardly any effective ones.”

10:02 PM:
According to political expert Masala, where the border is not clearly defined and what are the goals of the Ukraine war. It also depends on how we support Ukraine. This is not a bug, but it poses a problem.

Kiswetter, CDU politician: ‘We’re not doing what we can because of the SPD’

9:56 pm:
SPD politician

Roth sees it quite differently. Dealing with the Ukraine crisis is a business of the federal government. It takes time to make decisions. “The federal government should send a unified signal.”

9:55 pm:
Kiswetter, a politician from the CDU, is also highly critical of Schulze’s policy in Ukraine. “Because of SPD, we’re not doing what we can. The problem is in the chancellery.”

Journalist criticizing Schultz government: ‘There is no clear line for me’

9:52 pm:
Now the German-Ukrainian publisher is speaking

Marina Weissband on Schulz’s statement that Ukraine should exist. The German federal government is not showing a clear line.”

9:51 pm:
Ukrainians must decide for themselves how to end the war. I trust the Ukrainians. I trust Selenskyj,” says Roth.

9:49 pm:
Return to the studio. According to the SPD politician Roth, Ukraine will have to decide for itself what concessions it will make to Russia. However, in his opinion, this would not be possible without concessions.

9:47 pm:
“What war objective is Ukraine preparing for?” asks the announcer. Below is a video sequence of an interview with Ukrainian President Zelensky.

“This is only possible with diplomacy,” he says in the clip. He also spoke of a military recovery in all regions.

9.45 pm:
After the crime scene before “Anne Will”: The moderator welcomes and introduces her talk show guests.

Because of Russia’s attack on Ukraine, Finland and Sweden applied to join NATO this week. Turkey is the only member that has so far publicly opposed the expansion of the military alliance to the two countries. In order to join NATO, Turkey asked Sweden to end its support for “terrorist groups” and impose an arms embargo.

What is behind Erdogan’s demands? Will NATO enlargement mean more security for Europe? What are the goals of the military alliance in the Ukraine war? Anne Will discusses this with her guests on Sunday evening from 9:45 p.m.